Subject: the problem is this is information in the news. Author: merc63 : member since December, 2006 : 1194 posts Posted on: 2007-10-05 15:12:01

there have been a raft of recalls for Chinese made products lately that have been faulty or downright dangerous. Mattel has been burned heavily by selling Chinese made toys that were defective and/or had lead paint. Their prototypes were fine, but the production stuff was bad.

"This is also the latest in a string of recalls involving tainted or defective Chinese-made products, including tires, toothpaste, seafood and ingredients used to make pet food.

An investigation by ConsumerAffairs.com earlier this summer also revealed that 96 percent of all toys recalled during the first part of the year were made in China."

This isn't racist or ignorant, it's merely the facts. The crash tests of Chinese built cars have been absolutely horrible. Korean cars are very safe, and highly advanced. Chinese cars have been, and continue to be, complete junk in construction and safety.




This is the Brilliance, the latest Chinese car to enter the European market. It fared worse than a 20 year old car would. The passenger compartment folded up like a tin can. This is not ignorance on my part to mention it. It is a simple fact. Ignorance is ignoring the simple fact that Chinese products are STILL not up to the quality standards the rest of the world demands.

You personally may have a different experience with your chinese suppliers, but the overall majority are still substandard, if not in the initial delivery phase, then in subsequent deliveries.

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• David, Mark or any other moderator: would you please remove the .... - bghark 2007-10-05 11:53:56 (905 views)
  • Don't be like the Chinese government on this board....... - dufferdude 2007-10-17 03:27:33 (660 views)
  • China says 20% or it's products are unsafe - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-06 23:27:20 (621 views)
  • bg, what post got your lil panties in such a bunch??? - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:06:59 (738 views)
    • Hey tough guy, I ASKED them to remove it. I did not Demand anything. - bghark 2007-10-06 16:39:29 (700 views)
      • so which post got you so upset? - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-06 19:12:13 (686 views)
        • For the record- engine mount swap was 20 min! Since I've pulled and installed - bmw635 2007-10-19 11:12:05 (646 views)
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  • I thought this was a BMW forum (nt) - kc314 2007-10-05 16:20:45 (648 views)
    • Only after 5pm EST (nt) - dwightf 2007-10-05 16:21:50 (644 views)
  • I like Large breasted milf's and I eat steak twice a day - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 16:01:32 (674 views)
    • Your stock just went up in my view (nt) - Peter 2007-10-05 17:34:12 (716 views)
      • +1 (nt) - rskare 2007-10-06 03:46:06 (699 views)
    • Yes, it is.....but I think the kids took it the wrong way (pic) - dwightf 2007-10-05 16:06:35 (880 views)
  • Seriously, Come on guys!! why does this topic get the longest thread? - sdbimmer 2007-10-05 15:42:53 (655 views)
    • This isnt THE longest thread. The longest was a Goga thread over 2 years ago. - dwightf 2007-10-05 15:58:46 (691 views)
      • Oh yea... Goga. What ever happened with Goga? (nt) - J A M E S. 2007-10-06 13:23:59 (666 views)
    • Lol @ 'I'm Chinese and couldn't give a rip' - empire7 2007-10-05 15:50:05 (707 views)
  • Flat out nothing I said was racist - only business practices - empire7 2007-10-05 15:35:34 (718 views)
    • I am really surprised that you have some Chinese or Asians friends. - philting 2007-10-05 15:49:49 (672 views)
      • Actually yeah we do make fun of Asians in general playfully - empire7 2007-10-05 15:53:18 (661 views)
        • Worst part is that plenty of white dudes make fun of white people selling junk - empire7 2007-10-05 15:59:17 (673 views)
          • I don't think that you are getting the point. - philting 2007-10-05 16:09:51 (683 views)
    • I only speak for personal the personal experience I have had - bghark 2007-10-05 15:42:44 (616 views)
    • amen, so why we censoring posts now? - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 15:38:56 (636 views)
      • What exactly was taken down? Nothing that I'm aware of. - DavidC 2007-10-05 16:05:04 (659 views)
        • sorry david - I can't find the offense post that bg DEMANDED be taken down - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:03:25 (735 views)
      • You sound like my grandfather, WWII Vet - and I dont mean in a bad way - empire7 2007-10-05 15:46:04 (629 views)
  • Can we call this topic dead? Vote now!! (nt) - IBHenry 2007-10-05 15:30:37 (698 views)
    • Should have been Dead!! +1 (nt) - Krazy D 2007-10-05 15:46:01 (600 views)
    • Kill it!!!!! Let's move on to BMW stuff! (nt) - empire7 2007-10-05 15:36:27 (602 views)
      • But you said somthin' nasty about my Navigators Tranny! :o) (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 15:37:34 (642 views)
        • Who's a Tranny!!!???....This is crossing the lines of decency!!!!...;-P (nt) - ......albo 2007-10-05 15:39:36 (649 views)
          • This is a nasty Tranny! (pic) - bghark 2007-10-05 15:44:45 (755 views)
        • Actually it was a Taurus I had so I apologize to your Navi, lol (nt) - empire7 2007-10-05 15:38:56 (601 views)
    • I'd vote for taking it to OT :-) (nt) - dwightf 2007-10-05 15:34:38 (640 views)
      • Re: I'd vote for taking it to OT :-) - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-06 23:08:45 (627 views)
    • I say 'Yea' and I started the darn thing! :o) (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 15:32:34 (643 views)
    • +1 - IBHenry 2007-10-05 15:31:10 (733 views)
  • in America, isn't freedom of speech (even if it's ignorant racism) protected? - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 15:15:46 (610 views)
    • Re: in America, isn't freedom of speech (even if it's ignorant racism) protected (pic) (vid) (url) - dwightf 2007-10-05 15:25:50 (803 views)
      • I dig that Dwight, thanks for posting it. This thread IS too long.... (nt) - Ultymte 2007-10-05 16:15:23 (677 views)
      • Dude..thanks for that link. I love that P&T rant! (nt) - SDmike 2007-10-05 15:37:48 (656 views)
  • LMAO. Did I miss something? I hope someone got a screenshot for me. (nt) - dwightf 2007-10-05 14:46:54 (644 views)
  • maybe you should have posted in the OT forum - JibbaJabba 2007-10-05 14:44:45 (711 views)
    • Bc it has nothing to do with the topic - empire7 2007-10-05 14:48:14 (664 views)
      • Empire7 this, Empire7 that, yet 10 or 15 members are all saying the same - empire7 2007-10-05 15:01:22 (603 views)
        • I was just asking for the post to be removed. I didn't mention any - bghark 2007-10-05 15:29:20 (623 views)
        • 10-15 members?? Nah, we all like ya! (nt) - IBHenry 2007-10-05 15:12:50 (660 views)
          • Haha, I have nothin but love for anyone smart enough to own a E38 - empire7 2007-10-05 15:21:15 (660 views)
            • Whats an E38? lol!!! (nt) - IBHenry 2007-10-05 15:23:18 (695 views)
      • Just saw it in the OT form today. I was just disappointed how something - bghark 2007-10-05 14:57:01 (624 views)
        • the problem is this is information in the news. (pic) - merc63 2007-10-05 15:12:01 (690 views)
          • THANK YOU for adding fact to this topic (nt) - empire7 2007-10-05 15:23:42 (676 views)
          • I hear you BUT alot of the fault for those toys is the importers not - bghark 2007-10-05 15:18:32 (608 views)
            • We bring up the cars as it's relevant to the point about... - merc63 2007-10-05 16:35:54 (638 views)
        • I think American Cars Suxxxxxxxxxxx!!!! - Krazy D 2007-10-05 15:01:06 (626 views)
          • Hey now!!!!! That hurts!!!!! Good thing I am not an American ;o) - bghark 2007-10-05 15:13:38 (624 views)
            • Hey no Bashing American Muscle cars!!!! (pic) - IBHenry 2007-10-05 15:21:29 (692 views)
              • Word, no bashing of good old American muscle! (nt) - Ultymte 2007-10-05 16:17:12 (602 views)
              • Now there's a fine example of international trade. You sold an American car to a - beechy 2007-10-05 15:36:05 (650 views)
              • Split Bumper? Ummmmmmmmmm Should have kept that bad boy! (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 15:34:12 (656 views)
              • Pshhh thats really nice! (nt) - Krazy D 2007-10-05 15:29:45 (658 views)
            • LOL I like the Navigator . I also Like the Esclades . But I'm Anti FORD! (nt) - Krazy D 2007-10-05 15:21:18 (669 views)
              • Next will be a Escalade. I hate all the chrome on the new Navi. (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 15:36:31 (652 views)
              • Their trannys are the worst (nt) - empire7 2007-10-05 15:26:35 (657 views)
                • I have had a Navi for the past 7 years and no problems yet! - bghark 2007-10-05 15:35:26 (678 views)
  • Re: David, Mark or any other moderator: would you please remove the .... (pic) - SDmike 2007-10-05 14:07:13 (841 views)
    • irony that you posted that pic while people are talking about racism (nt) - JibbaJabba 2007-10-05 14:50:23 (602 views)
      • not irony, intentional (nt) - SDmike 2007-10-05 15:00:21 (604 views)
    • +100!! C'mon peeps, lets be cool and not take anything personal - IBHenry 2007-10-05 14:45:17 (711 views)
      • Re: +100!! C'mon peeps, lets be cool and not take anything personal - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:43:14 (618 views)
    • Yes Pleaseeeeee + + + + 100 ! (nt) - Krazy D 2007-10-05 14:32:32 (665 views)
    • +100 (nt) - Edwin 2007-10-05 14:17:27 (628 views)
    • +50 (nt) - ......albo 2007-10-05 14:12:12 (645 views)
    • +50 (nt) - ......albo 2007-10-05 14:09:24 (650 views)
  • This website's discriminatory rep stands on its own easily without me - empire7 2007-10-05 14:02:32 (672 views)
    • For the record this is the post on E38 that put them off: (url) - empire7 2007-10-05 16:20:20 (612 views)
    • I can't tell if you're being insulting or if that's an attempt at humor. - DavidC 2007-10-05 16:14:10 (644 views)
      • Was new to me too, guy. But then again I'm not deaf so I don't go searching for - empire7 2007-10-05 16:25:07 (2112 views)
    • Discriminatory rep? I think we have the best Diverse groups on the net. - bghark 2007-10-05 15:10:35 (661 views)
      • +1 (nt) - IBHenry 2007-10-05 15:19:00 (704 views)
      • Try telling that to NYC Deaf Community, AADB, etc - empire7 2007-10-05 15:18:13 (665 views)
    • So THATS why I love it here....Its because... - RobinK 2007-10-05 14:28:34 (764 views)
      • LMAO......Robin.......you are a fecking prince.....;o) (nt) - beechy 2007-10-05 14:53:45 (650 views)
      • After reading this not sure I want you in my car ;-)The boot wil be close enough (nt) - Edwin 2007-10-05 14:32:21 (702 views)
        • That's why I gave up drink 10 years ago! - RobinK 2007-10-05 14:47:51 (631 views)
  • I took a look at the thread and it just seems like a disagreement - DavidC 2007-10-05 13:28:22 (704 views)
    • Chyeah! *puts of boxing gloves* (nt) - dwightf 2007-10-05 14:44:44 (653 views)
    • Good call. No room for overt racism, but always room for dissenting opinions. (nt) - Peter 2007-10-05 13:53:23 (612 views)
    • It seems ignorant at best and racist at worst............... - bghark 2007-10-05 13:41:37 (601 views)
      • Many goods made in China are crap, IMHO - JohnG 2007-10-05 13:56:12 (686 views)
        • I hate to tell you, those Kumho's are made in China - eze740il 2007-10-05 14:59:00 (636 views)
          • Pretty sure my Ecsta ASXs say Korea on the sidewall, I'll check again tonight (nt) - JohnG 2007-10-05 15:06:58 (734 views)
            • Confirmed - my Ecsta ASXs say Korea on the sidewall. Also, worth writing about. - JohnG 2007-10-05 18:22:26 (653 views)
              • Re: Confirmed - my Ecsta ASXs say Korea on the sidewall. Also, worth writing about. - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:36:21 (649 views)
            • I know mine were Korean and they were 'ok' - empire7 2007-10-05 15:22:53 (667 views)
              • 30K miles is something to write home about in my book - eze740il 2007-10-05 15:57:49 (637 views)
              • Same for general street use. (nt) - dwightf 2007-10-05 15:57:30 (636 views)
        • I hear you John, it is just not everything is carp and all the people making it - bghark 2007-10-05 14:14:53 (653 views)
    • Hey David, chek out nice post of Empire 7. LOL. (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 13:34:58 (725 views)
      • WHERE THE HECK IS THIS NICE POST????? (nt) - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:21:29 (679 views)
  • Only thing embarassing is how certain members have nothing better to do but gang - empire7 2007-10-05 12:54:32 (619 views)
    • empire7 screwing board members wives - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:25:20 (647 views)
  • bghark, isn't it sad? 'He's' very entertaining though... =) (nt) - visionbmw7 2007-10-05 12:09:02 (924 views)
    • Re: bghark, isn't it sad? 'He's' very entertaining though... =) - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-05 23:30:50 (825 views)
    • 'He' knows why you have a problem - empire7 2007-10-05 12:59:38 (680 views)
      • I've never had issues with you. Do you want me to start? Stop putting words in - visionbmw7 2007-10-06 22:28:01 (636 views)
      • Visionbmw7 has been on the board for very long time - Krazy D 2007-10-05 13:50:27 (596 views)
        • Good for him. Maybe he can stop making posts about me and it's all good (nt) - empire7 2007-10-05 14:04:44 (588 views)
      • You are an idiot, plain and simnple. You don't even talk a good game. - bghark 2007-10-05 13:33:36 (732 views)
        • Never claimed to see your car (nt) - empire7 2007-10-05 13:40:26 (620 views)
          • I apologize; I thought you were referencing my car. (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 13:49:44 (588 views)
        • p.s. Vision has forgotten more about 7s' than you will ever hope to learn. (nt) - bghark 2007-10-05 13:37:44 (663 views)
          • Never claimed to be a master of 7 mechanics either. Just shows how this is all - empire7 2007-10-05 13:41:26 (634 views)
            • Referencing the topic at hand, I have personally been manufacturing ............ - bghark 2007-10-05 13:48:06 (606 views)
              • Good for you...some adult advice..instead of crying about racism - reluctantmechanic 2007-10-06 19:37:02 (675 views)